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When we were young we were submitted to various teachings. Most of the time, we read books. We tried to assimilate as much as we could. Then years passed by and somehow we re-connected to what teachers/parents/guardians had told us. Most probably what we’ve been thought was good. Yet in real life it seems that it is a different kind of fish. It’s what we call the gap between the theory and real life!

We were thought to look up to priests for friendship, counselling, ideas etc…Obviously in theory everything is in order. Yet each every human being is formed not only through teaching, but through personal experience, chemicals present in his genes etc…All this will make it highly improbable to foretell his future life as each person has a different outcome, which is based on millions of variables.

The first step is when one is asking for help. It brings the baptised person close to a priest. This is the work of the priest after all! But what happens when most of the priests feel all alone, neglected, alienated, disappointed and put aside? A normal kind of friendship (obviously there is nothing wrong), could be a tempting one for the priest. Instead of listening and comforting the person, the priest fulfils his needs for friendship, attention, love etc…within the counselling sessions. A counsellor has to listen to the client and not vice-versa, at least he can’t talk for a long period of time. The fact that the priest starts talking about his life means automatically that the sessions are taking a different path!

On the part of the person who is seeking the priest’s help, things start moving differently when they view the priest not as a counsellor but as the one who is fulfilling their dream of the ideal man! Obviously when one meets another person for a few hours weekly, it’s very easy to idolise that person! Remember that most people as viewed at work, might seem to be the ideal person. It’s when one lives with the person that one sees the complete picture! Yet, when one is hungry for love, recognition, attention and self affirmation, all other things will occupy a less important place in their lives! They just want to cling to somebody no matter what! It could be that we’re living in anonymous cities (Western part of the world), hence we desperately need friends!

We’ve been saying for quite some time now that priests who explain the word of God every Sunday (plus maybe other public meetings), are practically revealing their inner self to the general public. He is the one who speaks about a lot of values where no one speaks anymore (or at least not that often!). Speaking about such values will put more fire on a woman’s heart who is burning with desire to have a loving partner.

The priest in most cases, has all the time of the world to meet, listen and talk with parishioners. He is the one who makes his own timetable hence, he is easily available! The priest has no one to report to for his day to day running. Hence he can postpone last minute meetings without giving any real reason or hiding behind superficial reasons!

We don’t wish to give the message that it’s impossible, yet in the present circumstances, it’s getting more difficult to be a good friend to a priest. When a person is not complete (in many senses), it could lead to trouble, whether he is a priest, bishop, Pope, woman etc…In mathematics they used to teach us that a minus ( – ) with a minus ( – ), make a plus!

Our wish to have married priests will help the church to have a better system where priests are living in a relationship which will help them understand better the need for attention, love, affirmation etc…We’re not saying that it’s foolproof. There is nothing perfect. Yet on the human side of the argument, it will help them to be better prepared to work in today’s church.

Second Class Priests!

In the absence of love stories between priests and women, we are sharing our reflections regarding the latest news in the Catholic church.

In a March 2017 interview with German newspaper Die Zeit, Pope Francis used the term viri probati – in this context, religious married men of proven character – in saying he was open to the idea of a married priesthood, as is allowed for deacons, in remote areas where the priest shortage is particularly serious.

We are still not 100% sure of the outcome of married priests as we are still receiving conflicting news! Read this article

In any case it seems that all newspapers are agreeing that married priesthood is again in the news. Mulling all kind of news to look for positive news, we see some troubling ones. In the quoted statement made above, we have one single question: So are married priests just fillers? That is: are they being allowed as if they are necessary evil? Are they being allowed simply to fill in the blanks? Are we sort of second class priests who are allowed to work as priests simply because there is lack of?

Many people point to married priests because they think that will stop sexual abuse of children. People focus on sex because for news agencies it sells a lot of money! We do notice many priests who are living a solitary life. They are practically moving bodies but dead in their minds. Others who travel most of the time. Some who embrace luxuries. Others who are simply walking study books which amply shows the negative effects of forced celibacy. The list goes on and on.

Our main point of view has remained the same. Most of the apostles were married. Are we going to follow the bible or are we going against it? They do quote the bible profusely in other moral matters, yet about this one they are so silent! Why? If the apostles did it, why not the priests of today? Or are we like a supermarket: we pick up what we like in the church?!

Having married priests we hope it will bring the focus of the church on new challenges. One might be the complete overhaul of the relationship teaching (and not sex!). Strong and stable relationship calls for consequences which will help the priest to mature as he faces different challenges in life. One glaring example would be children. Taking care of your own children will bring a new insight in the life of the priest. Married priesthood will help the priest to reconnect with normal life with all its challenges. Consequently, the whole church will change. This is the revolution which we are looking forward to experience. In the end there will be winners all the way. All would feel much nearer to God. Everybody will experience the Emmanuel – God is with us! It would be interesting to visit a priest who has kids crying, eating and dirtying all the house whilst he is trying to communicate with God! It would be a good example of how to keep God in the centre of all activity!

It’s up to our readers to continue our reflection.

Secret Relationships with priests

Relationships are common like air. Everybody is in a kind of relationship: at home; at work or with neighbours. The surprise is, that like parenthood, very few receive any kind of instructions or training. When things go wrong, people realise that something important is missing. People are aware of the importance to cultivate free, positive, healthy and educational relationships.

The relationship between a woman and a priest is no exception although it has its own peculiarities. Several of the readers who write about their hidden love, seems to be unaware of some basic needs/information about relationships. We are trying to make some people aware of some pitfalls before undergoing or letting go into such relationships.

Any relationship needs some basic things to survive. Let’s try to write about some of them.

Communication: Each one of us needs to tell our significant other about our daily events, the pros and the cons of our life etc… the fact that for most of our woman, the priest does not communicate or else communicates in a very strange way, is an indication that the relationship has already some major problems. Communication is a thermometer which indicates the level of strength or weakness of a relationship. No communication is equal to no relationship at all.

Mr Evasive: Any relationship involves two persons. Now maybe one is already dreaming of the priest as a future husband, plus children etc.. but does the priest think in the same way? It’s incredible how some women run really fast in a relationship whilst the priest may simply be, first having fun or else, emptying his reproductive sacks! Did some of our women check what the priest really wants from such a relationship? Is he going to be committed to you? People have a habit of procrastination or be very evasive when faced with deep questions. As we amply wrote last time, one cannot be evasive for too long. A time frame makes sure that beyond a certain time frame, one needs to let go and forget all about the priest. If not, one is letting himself become abused by the priest.

Secrecy: We understand that most loving relationships are not born by choice involving a woman and a priest. We understand the need for secrecy at the beginning of a clandestine relationship and for a certain period of time. But would you like to live all your life in secrecy? Would you accept that you can never walk hand in hand with him in public? Would you accept the fact that you can never have your own house where to live twenty four hours with your loved one? If she doesn’t have a problem with secrecy than surely she is going to hit the wall at an incredible speed. The pain will surely be unbearable at that very moment.

The significant other: the beauty of a relationship is that one comes close to another person and sees his/her personal life. Priests have a knack of preaching to others and hide behind several masks. Incredibly you might not get to know the real person. Please forget what the priest might tell you. Remember that priests are very good, persuasive talkers. They might chat about many subjects yet avoid to tell you how they really feel. They might emphasize about how bad his superiors are and/or other situations in the church, yet he does not share with you how is he going to face the situation nor does he mention any concrete steps how to come out of it. For a change look at facts! They speak louder. Does he flirt with other women? Is he just experimenting with your body? Priests lack physical and intimate contact, hence if you give him permission to touch you, he might be just releasing some physical and sexual tensions.

Loneliness: Is the priest just passing through a middle age crisis or is he just feeling lonely? In some cases the priest might look at you, first as a close friend (maybe with sexual benefits), but nothing less and nothing more! He might use you for some weeks or months, never to be seen again. This is because he is using your relationship just to fill his empty and lonely soul. If you listen to him with your mind rather than with your heart, you might get the hidden message. Homilies indirectly reveal a lot about his psychological being. One needs to listen attentively and connect the missing dots. When you read between the lines, what is he trying to say (the unsaid words)?

Daydreaming: This sounds sinister and odd yet very true. Some women incredibly make up a whole story just because the priest paid some special attention in just one occasion! Fantasies or thoughts do not constitute a real and true relationship! It has to be real. One cannot exchange just a few glances with a real relationship. How can one be sure of a relationship if there has never been a real dialogue? It’s just a waste of time and energy which will definitely lead to a great depression. One cannot live his whole life imagining what if…..

The Real One: We might have given the impression that all relationships with priests will fail. No it’s not true. There is the priest who has taken the necessary time for reflection and he has definitely decided to leave the parish. He faces the big decision on his own. Separately he has thought a lot about having a full relationship with a woman. These two great decisions should never be mixed up together. Each one of them should be examined carefully and separately. The priest should take a decision after a long time of reflection and discernment. This applies especially to the case when his woman is pregnant. The priest, although he has to accept his paternal responsibilities, must not be forced to marry. He needs to take one step at a time.

In many cases, the married priest, if all decisions were taken in a mature way, should have a wonderful relationship with his future wife. It proves that in a mature relationship, the priest can lead a healthy, spiritual life where he could be of a better service to the whole community. One can easily google the many cases where the priests live happily with their wives. The community can testify that in most cases, one can notice the positive change in the priest leading their parish in a married state. The number of married priests is increasing all the time in the Catholic Church. This is a positive seed which might grow bigger and give more bountiful results.

Franciscans’ open letter

The Franciscans of today are not known to be futuristic or highly critical of the Vatican, so it was a great surprise to find such a public letter published by some American Communities. The common man understands the language not only because it is very simple to understand but what’s more, he is on the same line of thought.

What is happening here is that the pope and the Vatican are more and more defending the idea of a remnant church — a small and pure church that sees itself often in opposition to the world around it. It seems as if church authorities are not concerned at all about those who leave the church. Any other organization would take strong action to remedy the loss of one-third of its members. But the remnant church sees itself as a strong church of true believers, and therefore is not worried by such departures.

This concept of the church is opposed to the best understanding of the Catholic church. The word “catholic” by its very definition means big and universal. The church embraces both saints and sinners, rich and poor, female and male, and political conservatives and liberals. Yes, there are limits to what it means to be Catholic, but the “small ‘c’ catholic” understanding insists on the need to be as inclusive as possible. Many of us were deeply impressed by the gestures of Pope Benedict at the beginning of his papacy by reaching out for dialogue with both Hans Küng and Bishop Bernard Fellay, the head of the group originally founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. Unfortunately, today, dialogue is still going on with Bishop Fellay, but not with Hans Küng. (Taken from NCRonline)

May 31, 2012

      Open Letter to the United States Catholic Sisters

      We, the Leadership of the Friars Minor of the United States, write today as your brothers in the vowed 
religious life who, like you, have great love for our Church and for the people whom we are privileged to 
serve.  We write at a time of heightened polarization and even animosity in our nation and Church, with deep
concern that the recent Vatican Doctrinal Assessment of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) 
may inadvertently fuel the current climate of division and confusion.  We write, too, as a public sign of our
solidarity with you as you endure this very difficult moment.  We are privileged to share with you the journey
of religious life.  Like you, we strive in all that we do to build up the People of God.

      As religious brothers in the Franciscan tradition, we are rooted in a stance of gratitude that flows 
from awareness of the myriad ways that God is disclosed and made manifest in the world.  For us, there can be
no dispute that God has been and continues to be revealed through the faithful (and often unsung) witness of 
religious women in the United States.  Thus we note with appreciation that the Congregation for the Defense 
of the Faith (CDF) “acknowledges with gratitude the great contributions of women Religious to the Church of 
the United States as seen particularly in the many schools, hospitals, and institutions of support for the 
poor which have been founded and staffed by Religious over the years.”  We certainly know how much our service
has been enriched by the many gifts you bring to these ministries.

      However, your gift to the Church is not only one of service, but also one of courageous discernment.  
The late 20th century and the beginning of this century have been times of great social, political and cultural
upheaval and change.  Such contextual changes require us, as faithful members of the Church, to pose questions
that at first may appear to be controversial or even unfaithful, but in fact are asked precisely so that we 
might live authentically the charisms we have received, even as we respond to the “signs of the times.”  This 
is the charge that we as religious have received through the “Decree on the Renewal of Religious Life” from the
Second Vatican Council and subsequent statements of the Church on religious life.  We believe that your willing-
ness to reflect on many of the questions faced by contemporary society is an expression of your determination 
to be faithful to the Gospel, the Church, the invitation from Vatican II and your own religious charisms.  We 
remain thankful for and edified by your courage to engage in such reflection despite the ever-present risk of 

      Moreover, we are concerned that the tone and direction set forth in the Doctrinal Assessment of LCWR are
excessive, given the evidence raised.  The efforts of LCWR to facilitate honest and faithful dialogue on 
critical issues of our times must not result in a level of ecclesial oversight that could, in effect, quash all
further discernment.  Further, questioning your adherence to Church teaching by your “remaining silent” on 
certain ethical issues seems to us a charge that could be leveled against many groups in the Church, and fails
to appreciate both the larger cultural context and the particular parameters of expertise within which we all 
operate.  Finally, when there appears to be honest disagreement on the application of moral principles to 
public policy, it is not equivalent to questioning the authority of the Church’s magisterium.  Although the Catholic moral tradition speaks of agreement regarding moral principles, it also – from the Middle Ages through today – speaks of appropriate disagreement regarding specific application of these principles.  Unfortunately, the public communications media in the U.S. may not recognize this distinction.  Rather than excessive oversight of LCWR, perhaps a better service to the people of God might be a renewed effort to articulate the nuances of our complex moral tradition.   This can be a teaching moment rather than a moment of regulation — an opportunity to bring our faith to bear on the complexity of public policy particularly in the midst of our quadrennial elections.

      Finally, we realize and appreciate, as we are sure do you, the proper and right role of the bishops as 
it is set out in Mutuae Relationes to provide leadership and guidance to religious institutions.[i]  However, 
the same document clearly states:
      since it is of utmost importance that the council of major superiors collaborate diligently and in a 
spirit of trust with episcopal conferences, ‘it is desirable that questions having reference to both bishops 
and religious should be dealt with by mixed commissions consisting of bishops and major religious superiors, 
men or women. …Such a mixed commission should be structured in such a way that even if the right of ultimate 
decision making is to be always left to councils or conferences, according to the respective competencies, it 
can, as an organism of mutual counsel, liaison, communication, study and reflection, achieve its purpose.  (#63)

      We trust that CDF was attempting to follow their counsel from Mutuae Relationes; however, we fear that 
in today’s public media world their action easily could be misunderstood.  We hope that our bishops will take
particular care to see that the way they take action is as important as the actions themselves in serving the
People of God.  Otherwise, their efforts will surely be misunderstood and polarizing.

      Lastly, we appreciate the approach that you at LCWR have taken to enter into a time of discernment, 
rather than immediately making public statements that could be construed as “opposing the bishops” after the 
release of the Doctrinal Assessment.  The rancor and incivility of public conversation in the United States 
at this time make the possibility of productive dialogue more difficult to achieve.  We pray that the future 
conversation between LCWR and CDF might provide an example to the larger world of respectful, civil dialog.  
Such dialog will require a degree of mutuality, trust and honesty that is absent from much of our world.  We
trust that you will continue your efforts to live out this principle, and we trust and pray that our bishops 
will do the same.

      Please be assured of our on-going support, prayers, respect, and gratitude for your living example of 
the following of Christ in our times.


      Leadership of Franciscan (O.F.M.) Provinces of the United States

      Assumption BVM Province
      Franklin, WI, U.S.A.

      Holy Name Province
      New York, NY, U.S.A.

      Immaculate Conception Province
      New York, NY, U.S.A.

      Our Lady of Guadalupe Province
      Albuquerque, NM, U.S.A.

      Sacred Heart Province
      St. Louis, MO, U.S.A.

      Saint Barbara Province
      Oakland, CA, U.S.A.

      Saint John the Baptist Province
      Cincinnati, OH, U.S.A.

      [1]Sacred Congregation for Religious and for Secular Institutes, Directives for the Mutual Relations 
Between Bishops and Religious in the Church, Rome, May 14, 1978

An Australian bishop says the same things whilst using different words! These words are not coming from an 
anticlerical section of the world, but rather a prince of the church. Please note that this is NOT just one
person who is holding such an opinion but many of the common people who live a real life in the world of today.

In the same sense, they are trying to silence a sister who has mentioned sexuality (why not be senstive to 
justice?)....she is NOT the only one to pass on some ideas. The people of God are reflecting on their lives in
a christian way and are coming to different conclusions. A femmine author puts it as: Is pleasure a Sin? Now, 
obviously many of the clergy are trained (brainwashed?) that they have the truth. So contrary to the Spirit of
Vatican II (meeting for all bishops which took place in 1962-1965), they won't listen to this opinion but 
rather put it in bad light as erroneous!

We insist again, the married priest is in a better position to know what the common man in the street thinks 
of and what are his basic and urgent needs. We are happy that the book mentioned above was written by a sister
(femmine), which gives it a very particular outlook. Something which we are familiar with as we live 24 hours 
with a woman, where we are so happy to be enriched by such revelations. 

Homily {in Maltese}